About Real Money, Real Experts

Real Money, Real Experts is a personal finance podcast written and produced by AFCPE®. With an audience of financial professionals, we strive to educate and entertain with a combination of expert tips, engaging interviews, and real-life storytelling. 

  • Covering real stories about how professionals like you are impacting their clients.
  • Offering tips from real experts on how to improve client interactions and grow your business.


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AFCPE® ensures the highest integrity of the financial counseling profession by certifying, connecting, and supporting diverse professionals. Our comprehensive programs, the AFC® (Accredited Financial Counselor®) and represent the gold standard of financial counseling and coaching certifications. And our membership community offers a place to share best practices, solve similar struggles, and access tools and resources that advance your career and enable you to better serve your clients.

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Meet the Hosts

Rachael DeLeon, AFCPE

Rachael DeLeon, AFCPE® Executive Director

Rachael DeLeon, Executive Director of AFCPE®, is co-host of Real Money, Real Experts podcast. Rachael leads AFCPE, a national association for financial counselors, coaches, and educators. AFCPE certifies, supports, and connects professionals across the personal finance field who are committed to the highest standards of professionalism and passionate about helping people with their money.

Mary Bell Carlson, AFC®, CFP®, Ph.D.

Dr. Mary Bell Carlson is a financial behavior expert and is currently the President and Founder of Financial Behavior Keynote Group, a speaking and consulting firm providing thought leadership around financial behavior change. She also teaches at the University of Georgia and Texas Tech University in personal financial planning and holds both the AFC® and CFP® credentials.

Recent Episodes

Real Money, Real Experts: Keturah Orji

Episode 77: Pursuing Big Goals with Olympic Athlete & Financial Coach, Keturah Orji Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! “Don’t let fear and hesitation hold you back.”  This week’s guest is two-time Olympian and financial coach, Keturah Orji (“K.O.”). Keturah is a decorated Track and Field athlete, who is balancing the pursuit of her athletic dreams with studying for the

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Real Money, Real Experts: Daniel Crosby

Episode 76: Technology, Authenticity, and Behavioral Finance with Daniel Crosby Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! This week on “Real Money, Real Experts,” Rachael and Mary sit down with psychologist and behavioral finance expert Daniel Crosby. This conversation was a fun one, covering everything from epic failures to Chat GPT to the power of authenticity – which starts with doing

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Real Money, Real Experts: Julie Beckham, AFC®

Episode 75: Bringing the Arts to Financial Education with Julie Beckham, AFC® Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! Today’s guest believes that personal finance is a topic to sing and dance about! Julie Beckham, AFC® has taken her passion and turned it into a career, marrying her love for the arts with financial education. Her musical, Ms. Money and the

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Real Money, Real Experts: America Saves’ Kia McCallister-Young, AFC®

Episode 74: Keeping Personal Finance Personal with America Saves’ Kia McCallister-Young, AFC® Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! Our guest this week is Kia McCallister-Young, AFC, Director of America Saves. With a background in marketing and communications, Kia knows how to create a compelling message that moves people to action. And it’s a skill she uses often in her work

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Real Money, Real Experts: All Things Student Loans with Heather Jarvis

Episode 73: All Things Student Loans with Heather Jarvis Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! Heather Jarvis is an attorney and a nationally recognized expert specializing in student loan law. As a first-generation college student, Heather got her start in the nonprofit space and was an early advocate for policy change.  In this episode, we take a deep dive into

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Real Money, Real Experts: The FINRA Fellowship with Dr. Cherie Stueve

Episode 72: How a Fellowship Built Career and Community with Dr. Cherie Stueve, CFP®, AFC®, FFC®, FBS® Download the transcript or watch on Youtube! “If you want to belong, there is a place for you.” Our guest this week is Dr. Cherie Stueve, an AFC, a military spouse, and a self-described consummate learner. Cherie shares her journey from farm life to

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Listener Reviews

"I am excited about the Real Money, Real Experts Podcast. The hosts Rebecca and Mary have such rich and diverse background in the financial counseling and education space and they complement each other well. Usually in the first few episodes of a podcast, there is a sense of working out the kinks and getting comfortable with the format but this was a polished effort from the start. I also like the 20-min format, perfect for a listen on my morning jog or while running errands. I look forward upcoming episodes."

"Looking forward to more episodes hosted by these two great financial professionals!"

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If you’re doing interesting work in the field and would like to share your stories and expertise, apply to be a guest on Real Money, Real Experts! Fill out the podcast guest application and an AFCPE staff member will contact you if you are selected.

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8 responses to “Real Money, Real Experts Podcast”

  1. Hello! ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!! l just finished listening to Real Money/Real Experts, Pilot Episode and truly enjoyed meeting you! I was so INSPIRED and MOTIVATED that l WILL cease PROCRASTINATING and get started on reaching my next life’s goal of becoming a financial Coach/Counselor. Thank you so much for the AMAZING LEADERSHIP! Ms. Farrow

    • Thank you so much for listening! We hope you stick around and enjoy future episodes. Thanks for the feedback!

  2. How can we get FICO open access- for free for our clients instead of paying the fees associated with getting the score and the needed education/coaching? Can this not be waived for financial coaching for AFCPE members?
    Carol Ehlers
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    712-732-5056 (home office/not open yet)
    712-299-3454 (personal cell)

  3. I use the PodCruncher app for iPhone. Thoroughly enjoyed the interesting and informative first four podcasts. I’m going to listen to E5 sometime this afternoon. Terrific job so far! Thank you!

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