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Real Money, Real Experts.

About Real Money, Real Experts

Real Money, Real Experts is a personal finance podcast written and produced by AFCPE®. With an audience of financial professionals, we strive to educate and entertain with a combination of expert tips, engaging interviews, and real-life storytelling. AFCPE® ensures the highest integrity of the financial counseling profession by certifying, connecting, and supporting diverse professionals.

Our comprehensive programs, the AFC® (Accredited Financial Counselor®) and represent the gold standard of financial counseling and coaching certifications. And our membership community offers a place to share best practices, solve similar struggles, and access tools and resources that advance your career and enable you to better serve your clients.

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Meet the Hosts

Mary Bell Carlson, co-host of Real Money, Real Experts

Rebecca Wiggins, AFCPE® Executive Director

Rebecca Wiggins, Executive Director of AFCPE®, is co-host of Real Money, Real Experts podcast. Rebecca leads AFCPE, a national association for financial counselors, coaches, and educators. AFCPE certifies, supports, and connects professionals across the personal finance field who are committed to the highest standards of professionalism and passionate about helping people with their money.

Mary Bell Carlson, AFC®, CFP®, Ph.D.

Dr. Mary Bell Carlson is a seasoned industry expert  and is currently the CEO of Chief Financial Mom. She also teaches at the University of Georgia and Texas Tech University in personal financial planning. Mary has worked in the military and government sectors for over 15 years as a financial behavior expert. Mary holds both the AFC® and CFP® credentials.

Recent Episodes

Ann House, AFC
Pam Capalad and Dyalekt
Cait Howerton, AFC, CFP

Episode #27: Life Long Learning: Financial Education for All Ages with Ann House

Episode #28: Let’s get brunch: Food & Financial Equality with Pamala Capalad and Dyalekt

Episode #29: Show your Pride: Building an Inclusive Practice with Cait Howerton

In this episode of Real Money, Real Experts co-host Dr. Mary Bell Carlson speaks with Ann House, MS, CPFC, CEPF, AFC®, founder of the Personal Money Management Center, a resource for students at the University of Utah. In 2015, the center received the Outstanding Financial Counseling Center award from AFCPE®.

In the interview, the two discuss Ann’s financial education journey, private practice, and having money conversations with your children. Ann’s goal is to help students to learn to become savvy consumers every step along the way.

What do hip-hop pedagogy and brunch have to do with breaking down the racial wealth divide? We found out in this episode of Real Money, Real Experts.

Co-hosts Rebecca Wiggins and Dr. Mary Bell Carlson speak with Pamela Capalad, CFP®, AFC®, founder of Brunch & Budget, and Dyalekt, Host of the Brunch & Budget Podcast, Workshop MC, and See Change MC.

Brunch & Budget is a financial planning program created to give everyone safe, friendly, and affordable places to talk about money and make real financial progress. In this interview, the group discusses why financial coaches and counselors need to understand the systematic challenges faced by clients of color, how these challenges impact their relationship with money, and how we can meet our clients where they are through a lens of equity and inclusion.

In honor of Pride Month, we dive deeper into the unique financial challenges of the LGBTQ+ community and learn the changes — both big and small — we can make to create a more inclusive practice. 

Co-hosts Rebecca Wiggins and Dr. Mary Bell Carlson speak with Cait Howerton, CFP®, AFC®, member of the LGBTQ+ community, and Lead Planner at Facet Wealth where she helps her clients uncover their life goals, navigate their money beliefs, and effectively use their earnings to achieve their dreams.

From higher youth homeless rates and increased student loan debt, to the impact of non-inclusive language, the group discusses the responsibility of financial coaches and counselors to not only understand, but meet the needs of their LGBTQ+ clients.

Listener Reviews

"I am excited about the Real Money, Real Experts Podcast. The hosts Rebecca and Mary have such rich and diverse background in the financial counseling and education space and they complement each other well. Usually in the first few episodes of a podcast, there is a sense of working out the kinks and getting comfortable with the format but this was a polished effort from the start. I also like the 20-min format, perfect for a listen on my morning jog or while running errands. I look forward upcoming episodes."

"The podcast is well done and the synergy between Rebecca and Mary is 🙌🏼. I'm looking forward to more episodes."

"Looking forward to more episodes hosted by these two great financial professionals!"

We Want To Hear From You!

Would you like to be a guest on the show? Do you have a topic you’d like us to explore, or feedback for the podcast? We’d love to hear from you. Contact us or comment below to let us know your thoughts.

If you’re wanting to apply to be a guest, please include your name, current job information, relevant career and experience information, topics that you’d be willing to discuss, and any links to previous speaking engagements if you have them.

8 responses to “Real Money, Real Experts Podcast”

  1. Hello! ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!! l just finished listening to Real Money/Real Experts, Pilot Episode and truly enjoyed meeting you! I was so INSPIRED and MOTIVATED that l WILL cease PROCRASTINATING and get started on reaching my next life’s goal of becoming a financial Coach/Counselor. Thank you so much for the AMAZING LEADERSHIP! Ms. Farrow

    • Thank you so much for listening! We hope you stick around and enjoy future episodes. Thanks for the feedback!

  2. How can we get FICO open access- for free for our clients instead of paying the fees associated with getting the score and the needed education/coaching? Can this not be waived for financial coaching for AFCPE members?
    Carol Ehlers
    ISU Extension
    712-732-5056 (home office/not open yet)
    712-299-3454 (personal cell)

  3. I use the PodCruncher app for iPhone. Thoroughly enjoyed the interesting and informative first four podcasts. I’m going to listen to E5 sometime this afternoon. Terrific job so far! Thank you!

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